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		<title>By: Rebecca Rasmussen</title>
		<link>http://mikeboylan.com/2009/08/zeo-review-and-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Rasmussen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FitBit can at best, in my opinion, track motion. I have one, LOVE it for daily activity tracking (sooooo nice to just have to remember to put it on then be near the computer every now and then; the less I have to remember to do the better, it will even notify me when it needs charging, what&#039;s better than that?!), but would never ever consider it&#039;s sleep tracking to be actual SLEEP tracking. 
 
It tracks your MOVEMENTS during the time that you tell it you&#039;re sleeping,and tries to draw conclusions off of that data. But some people move a lot when they sleep, some people lay still when they are awake. I&#039;m &quot;guilty&quot; of both and it ended up telling me - for the nights that I tested it just to see what it would say - &quot;99% sleep efficiency&quot; even on a few nights that were the worst night&#039;s sleep I&#039;d had in a long time (hotel room with very uncomfy (for me) bed). Anyhoot, that&#039;s my take on the FitBit and its &quot;sleep&quot; function.
 
I&#039;ve been long considering a ZEO, and now that they have the Android mobile version along with the 30-day gauruntee I&#039;m a few more reviews away from clicking the button then ignoring my husband&#039;s laughter at night. :0)

Like any tracking tool though, just tracking the data is not going to change anything. Just having the FitBit doesn&#039;t make me more active, but being able to SEE how inactive I am helps to motivate me to get more active so I can see the changes. And the ZEO won&#039;t make my sleep better, but being able to see how I am sleeping will help to motivate me to make and monitor the changes needed to sleep better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FitBit can at best, in my opinion, track motion. I have one, LOVE it for daily activity tracking (sooooo nice to just have to remember to put it on then be near the computer every now and then; the less I have to remember to do the better, it will even notify me when it needs charging, what&#8217;s better than that?!), but would never ever consider it&#8217;s sleep tracking to be actual SLEEP tracking.<br />
 <br />
It tracks your MOVEMENTS during the time that you tell it you&#8217;re sleeping,and tries to draw conclusions off of that data. But some people move a lot when they sleep, some people lay still when they are awake. I&#8217;m &#8220;guilty&#8221; of both and it ended up telling me &#8211; for the nights that I tested it just to see what it would say &#8211; &#8220;99% sleep efficiency&#8221; even on a few nights that were the worst night&#8217;s sleep I&#8217;d had in a long time (hotel room with very uncomfy (for me) bed). Anyhoot, that&#8217;s my take on the FitBit and its &#8220;sleep&#8221; function.<br />
 <br />
I&#8217;ve been long considering a ZEO, and now that they have the Android mobile version along with the 30-day gauruntee I&#8217;m a few more reviews away from clicking the button then ignoring my husband&#8217;s laughter at night. :0)</p>
<p>Like any tracking tool though, just tracking the data is not going to change anything. Just having the FitBit doesn&#8217;t make me more active, but being able to SEE how inactive I am helps to motivate me to get more active so I can see the changes. And the ZEO won&#8217;t make my sleep better, but being able to see how I am sleeping will help to motivate me to make and monitor the changes needed to sleep better!</p>
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		<title>By: Pjay (Patti) Pender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pjay (Patti) Pender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 01:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sleeptracker watch doesn&#039;t work as advertised.  Though it seemed like it was tracking and finding that &quot;almost-awake moment&quot; in the wake-up window, it consistently woke me when I was in deepest sleep at the earliest point in the wake-up window.  That is, if it was supposed to wake me between 5:30 and 6:00 it always woke me at 5:30, and more often than not the watch itself showed me in the deepest stage of sleep when it did.  It also refused to upload the data from the watch to my computer, so it was impossible to save the data.  FitBit is a great device for monitoring activity, though I keep running them through the wash machine an killing them.  It seems accurate about sleep tracking (as well as activity and calorie burn tracking) but it&#039;s not fine or detailed enough for my needs.  That and the fact that I&#039;ve destroyed 4 of them in the washer!  LOL  The iPhone and Android apps you place on the bed to record movement flat-out don&#039;t work.  I&#039;ve been using the Zeo classic for almost a year and a half and it&#039;s great.  I just got the mobile version today and hope it&#039;s even better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sleeptracker watch doesn&#8217;t work as advertised.  Though it seemed like it was tracking and finding that &#8220;almost-awake moment&#8221; in the wake-up window, it consistently woke me when I was in deepest sleep at the earliest point in the wake-up window.  That is, if it was supposed to wake me between 5:30 and 6:00 it always woke me at 5:30, and more often than not the watch itself showed me in the deepest stage of sleep when it did.  It also refused to upload the data from the watch to my computer, so it was impossible to save the data.  FitBit is a great device for monitoring activity, though I keep running them through the wash machine an killing them.  It seems accurate about sleep tracking (as well as activity and calorie burn tracking) but it&#8217;s not fine or detailed enough for my needs.  That and the fact that I&#8217;ve destroyed 4 of them in the washer!  LOL  The iPhone and Android apps you place on the bed to record movement flat-out don&#8217;t work.  I&#8217;ve been using the Zeo classic for almost a year and a half and it&#8217;s great.  I just got the mobile version today and hope it&#8217;s even better!</p>
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		<title>By: Zeo</title>
		<link>http://mikeboylan.com/2009/08/zeo-review-and-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff - 

First and foremost, I&#039;m sorry for the email and phone mishaps that you mentioned above. We value customer support a great deal and don&#039;t take this feedback lightly. Thank you for sharing it.

I want to tackle the accuracy question you mention above. I&#039;ll caveat this by saying that you may have seen some of this before, but others reading this thread may have not. As you already know, Zeo is measuring your brainwaves to determine your sleep phase (there’s a blog post about that here: http://blog.myzeo.com/5-steps-to-phasing-sleep/ ). Using these tiny electrical signals to phase your sleep isn’t easy, but accuracy and scientific integrity are highly important to us. Studies have been done looking at the precision of our SoftWave technology compared to other sleep tracking technologies (including the current gold standard used in sleep labs). The technology has been shown to perform very accurately and the data have been reviewed by our scientific advisory board. You can review the results of these studies here: http://www.myzeo.com/pages/52_for_health_professionals.cfm#Validations

Like any method of measuring sleep, Zeo may occasionally indicate you were asleep when you were awake (or visa versa). There are a few things that could be causing this, but the most probable culprits in your instance are the following:
1. Zeo only records moments of wakefulness that last 2 minutes or longer. The reason is to align with memory (there are studies that suggest that people forget most awakenings that last less than 3 minutes). One unfortunate consequence of that rule is that when you leave the bedroom to go to the bathroom, Zeo loses signal (due to distance) for most of the time you are awake and never crosses the threshold to report an awakening. A pesky bug that we&#039;ll fix in a future hardware release.
2. Other studies have been done to show that, in a sleep lab setting, moments of quiet wakefulness are difficult to distinguish from sleep. Zeo is not as accurate as a sleep lab and will sometimes make a mistake.

Though not perfect, Zeo is the most accurate way to track and improve your sleep at home. I know you&#039;re tired of hearing it, but it&#039;s important that I mention that it&#039;s not a medical device - i.e. not intended to diagnose or treat sleep disorders (that&#039;s for doctors)... which is a nice segway into the discussion about Expert Answers.

As Mike mentioned, Expert Answers is a new initiative that we&#039;re testing and learning much from. We do take the questions that people ask us and bring them to experts; if someone submits a new question that can be answered in part by an old expert answer, we will use it. We&#039;re working on being more transparent through that process. 

The biggest challenge *by far* has been walking the fine line between helpful consumer oriented information (that&#039;s us) and medical advice (which we can not provide). When folks submit questions that a doctor should answer, often just saying, &quot;You should consult your doctor&quot; is not enough - we try to answer what we can in a responsible fashion, which sometimes causes extended delays in our response to you, the user. Definitely not ideal, but something we will continue to refine and that (I expect) will become quicker and easier with time.

Again, I apologize for the the trouble and genuinely appreciate your feedback and am open to continuing the conversation in the open (here) or in private (via email).

Kind regards,
Derek@Zeo
[derek@myzeo.com]

PS ~ Mike, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff &#8211; </p>
<p>First and foremost, I&#8217;m sorry for the email and phone mishaps that you mentioned above. We value customer support a great deal and don&#8217;t take this feedback lightly. Thank you for sharing it.</p>
<p>I want to tackle the accuracy question you mention above. I&#8217;ll caveat this by saying that you may have seen some of this before, but others reading this thread may have not. As you already know, Zeo is measuring your brainwaves to determine your sleep phase (there’s a blog post about that here: <a href="http://blog.myzeo.com/5-steps-to-phasing-sleep/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.myzeo.com/5-steps-to-phasing-sleep/</a> ). Using these tiny electrical signals to phase your sleep isn’t easy, but accuracy and scientific integrity are highly important to us. Studies have been done looking at the precision of our SoftWave technology compared to other sleep tracking technologies (including the current gold standard used in sleep labs). The technology has been shown to perform very accurately and the data have been reviewed by our scientific advisory board. You can review the results of these studies here: <a href="http://www.myzeo.com/pages/52_for_health_professionals.cfm#Validations" rel="nofollow">http://www.myzeo.com/pages/52_for_health_professionals.cfm#Validations</a></p>
<p>Like any method of measuring sleep, Zeo may occasionally indicate you were asleep when you were awake (or visa versa). There are a few things that could be causing this, but the most probable culprits in your instance are the following:<br />
1. Zeo only records moments of wakefulness that last 2 minutes or longer. The reason is to align with memory (there are studies that suggest that people forget most awakenings that last less than 3 minutes). One unfortunate consequence of that rule is that when you leave the bedroom to go to the bathroom, Zeo loses signal (due to distance) for most of the time you are awake and never crosses the threshold to report an awakening. A pesky bug that we&#8217;ll fix in a future hardware release.<br />
2. Other studies have been done to show that, in a sleep lab setting, moments of quiet wakefulness are difficult to distinguish from sleep. Zeo is not as accurate as a sleep lab and will sometimes make a mistake.</p>
<p>Though not perfect, Zeo is the most accurate way to track and improve your sleep at home. I know you&#8217;re tired of hearing it, but it&#8217;s important that I mention that it&#8217;s not a medical device &#8211; i.e. not intended to diagnose or treat sleep disorders (that&#8217;s for doctors)&#8230; which is a nice segway into the discussion about Expert Answers.</p>
<p>As Mike mentioned, Expert Answers is a new initiative that we&#8217;re testing and learning much from. We do take the questions that people ask us and bring them to experts; if someone submits a new question that can be answered in part by an old expert answer, we will use it. We&#8217;re working on being more transparent through that process. </p>
<p>The biggest challenge *by far* has been walking the fine line between helpful consumer oriented information (that&#8217;s us) and medical advice (which we can not provide). When folks submit questions that a doctor should answer, often just saying, &#8220;You should consult your doctor&#8221; is not enough &#8211; we try to answer what we can in a responsible fashion, which sometimes causes extended delays in our response to you, the user. Definitely not ideal, but something we will continue to refine and that (I expect) will become quicker and easier with time.</p>
<p>Again, I apologize for the the trouble and genuinely appreciate your feedback and am open to continuing the conversation in the open (here) or in private (via email).</p>
<p>Kind regards,<br />
Derek@Zeo<br />
[derek@myzeo.com]</p>
<p>PS ~ Mike, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Boylan</title>
		<link>http://mikeboylan.com/2009/08/zeo-review-and-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Boylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, sorry you&#039;ve got the run around by customer support. I sent your comment along to some of the guys at Zeo that I&#039;ve had the pleasure of talking to over the past year or so. Hopefully they&#039;ll be able to get you the information you need. There&#039;s good feedback in your comment, especially about the Ask the Experts forum, which is a relatively new initiative for them, so I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll appreciate the feedback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, sorry you&#8217;ve got the run around by customer support. I sent your comment along to some of the guys at Zeo that I&#8217;ve had the pleasure of talking to over the past year or so. Hopefully they&#8217;ll be able to get you the information you need. There&#8217;s good feedback in your comment, especially about the Ask the Experts forum, which is a relatively new initiative for them, so I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll appreciate the feedback.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had my Zeo for the entire trial period now and am in the process of putting it back in its box to return it.  I don&#039;t believe the data that it gives me.  I agree with others that the data is unreliable.  In particular, times when I have been awake watching the clock, or knowing that I need to pee and am too lazy to get up.  When I finally get up and go to the bathroom, I see that Zeo either recorded me as in light or REM sleep when I know of a fact that I have been awake and just didn&#039;t want to get up and pee.  The only secret to getting a high ZQ is to stay in bed a long time.

I have emailed in questions and posted questions on their forum to either go unanswered or to get what are obviously generic answers that have probably been copied from a catalogue of questions and answers they have saved.  And of course, the answers are always qualified with the statement that we are all different, and your numbers will be different than my numbers, and Zeo is not a medical device.  OK, OK, I get that by now.  I called several times to speak to someone.  After being on hold for a while you get placed into voice mail.  I sent an email saying that I need someone to call.  I actually had a lady call and she let me ask my questions.  She seemed interested and said that she would email answers to my questions.  When I got an email several days later it was obvious that all she did was copy and paste a couple of questions and answers that were remotely related to what we had talked about, and didn&#039;t even mention the more critical questions that I had for her.  Probably because it wasn&#039;t in her catalogue of questions and answers.    This would be a really neat product if I trusted the numbers and if their &quot;Ask the Experts&quot; forum allowed you to ask questions and get real answers from real experts.  Oh, well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had my Zeo for the entire trial period now and am in the process of putting it back in its box to return it.  I don&#8217;t believe the data that it gives me.  I agree with others that the data is unreliable.  In particular, times when I have been awake watching the clock, or knowing that I need to pee and am too lazy to get up.  When I finally get up and go to the bathroom, I see that Zeo either recorded me as in light or REM sleep when I know of a fact that I have been awake and just didn&#8217;t want to get up and pee.  The only secret to getting a high ZQ is to stay in bed a long time.</p>
<p>I have emailed in questions and posted questions on their forum to either go unanswered or to get what are obviously generic answers that have probably been copied from a catalogue of questions and answers they have saved.  And of course, the answers are always qualified with the statement that we are all different, and your numbers will be different than my numbers, and Zeo is not a medical device.  OK, OK, I get that by now.  I called several times to speak to someone.  After being on hold for a while you get placed into voice mail.  I sent an email saying that I need someone to call.  I actually had a lady call and she let me ask my questions.  She seemed interested and said that she would email answers to my questions.  When I got an email several days later it was obvious that all she did was copy and paste a couple of questions and answers that were remotely related to what we had talked about, and didn&#8217;t even mention the more critical questions that I had for her.  Probably because it wasn&#8217;t in her catalogue of questions and answers.    This would be a really neat product if I trusted the numbers and if their &#8220;Ask the Experts&#8221; forum allowed you to ask questions and get real answers from real experts.  Oh, well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Boylan</title>
		<link>http://mikeboylan.com/2009/08/zeo-review-and-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Boylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 23:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Oliver,

Short answer: Yes.

Longer Answer: I wrote this review after I received the product last summer.  The review was not sponsored nor endorsed in any way by the company.  It still isn&#039;t.  Several months after writing the review, Zeo started a &quot;Refer a friend&quot; campaign that was, and still is, open to all of its customers who have purchased their product.  I&#039;m simply a participant in that program.  This review gets a lot of traffic, so I figured if I could save you all the cost of shipping, why not?  The very small reward I get for the referrals is just a plus.

Hope that answers your question.  The content of the review has not been changed, minus the bottom “UPDATE” and the single edit at the top about the price change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Oliver,</p>
<p>Short answer: Yes.</p>
<p>Longer Answer: I wrote this review after I received the product last summer.  The review was not sponsored nor endorsed in any way by the company.  It still isn&#8217;t.  Several months after writing the review, Zeo started a &#8220;Refer a friend&#8221; campaign that was, and still is, open to all of its customers who have purchased their product.  I&#8217;m simply a participant in that program.  This review gets a lot of traffic, so I figured if I could save you all the cost of shipping, why not?  The very small reward I get for the referrals is just a plus.</p>
<p>Hope that answers your question.  The content of the review has not been changed, minus the bottom “UPDATE” and the single edit at the top about the price change.</p>
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		<title>By: olivier</title>
		<link>http://mikeboylan.com/2009/08/zeo-review-and-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>olivier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 06:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please be honest, do you get commission on every zeo sold via the link you provided on your review?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please be honest, do you get commission on every zeo sold via the link you provided on your review?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Boylan</title>
		<link>http://mikeboylan.com/2009/08/zeo-review-and-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Boylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 08:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to hear that man.  Zeo only registers wake events as times when you&#039;re awake for periods longer than two minutes.  How long were you fully awake?  Longer than two minutes?  If so, your unit may be having some problems, your headband may not have been tight enough, a snap may not be snapped on the headband, etc.  There&#039;s a few things to try and check first.  If you had used a real e-mail when commenting, I could have put you in touch with someone at the company to try and work through what may be causing your problem as Zeo has been shown to be pretty accurate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regardless, hope you get it worked out.  Try talking to support before returning it maybe?  It could be one of the simple issues I mentioned above, and if not, they&#039;ll get you taken care of I&#039;m sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m sorry to hear that man.  Zeo only registers wake events as times when you&#39;re awake for periods longer than two minutes.  How long were you fully awake?  Longer than two minutes?  If so, your unit may be having some problems, your headband may not have been tight enough, a snap may not be snapped on the headband, etc.  There&#39;s a few things to try and check first.  If you had used a real e-mail when commenting, I could have put you in touch with someone at the company to try and work through what may be causing your problem as Zeo has been shown to be pretty accurate.</p>
<p>Regardless, hope you get it worked out.  Try talking to support before returning it maybe?  It could be one of the simple issues I mentioned above, and if not, they&#39;ll get you taken care of I&#39;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://mikeboylan.com/2009/08/zeo-review-and-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 06:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tried it for 30 days. When I woke up in the night, I wrote it down then went back to sleep. Zeo never registered these events. Sometime it would say &quot;REM&quot; other times &quot;light sleep&quot;. Well, I think I&#039;d have to be &quot;awake&quot; to sit up, look at the clock, locate the pen and pad on my bedside table, and write down the time. Returning this today. Very unreliable and inconsistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tried it for 30 days. When I woke up in the night, I wrote it down then went back to sleep. Zeo never registered these events. Sometime it would say &#8220;REM&#8221; other times &#8220;light sleep&#8221;. Well, I think I&#39;d have to be &#8220;awake&#8221; to sit up, look at the clock, locate the pen and pad on my bedside table, and write down the time. Returning this today. Very unreliable and inconsistent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Boylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Boylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 08:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s less now.  Did you see that?  Originally it was a lot to gamble, yeah.  I&#039;m glad I did though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s less now.  Did you see that?  Originally it was a lot to gamble, yeah.  I&#39;m glad I did though!</p>
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